On Sun, 4 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2014-05-04 20:53, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2014-05-04 11:36, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello all,
Circuit = DUP-0
State = Cleared
Can anyone point me towards documentation on configuring a KDP/DUP on
RSX? I want to see the issues getting the KS10 simulator connected to
RSX for myself.
NCP>SET CIRCUIT DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
NCP>SET LINE DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
NCP>SET LINE KDP-0-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
It seems NCP on RSX is a bit different than on others. ;)
What does SHOW LINE DUP-0 CHAR and SHOW CIR DUP-0 CHAR show?
Oh, yeah. SHOW EXEC CHAR would also be helpful.
Johnny
NCP>SHOW EXEC CHAR
Node characteristics as of 4-MAY-14 21:14:43
Executor node = 9.4 (MANDY)
Identification = MOIRA, Management version = 4.2.0
Host = 9.4 (MANDY), Loop count = 1
Loop length = 40, Loop with = Mixed
Incoming timer = 15, Outgoing timer = 30
NSP version = 4.0.0
Maximum links = 10, Delay factor = 32
Delay weight = 2
Inactivity timer = 30, Retransmit factor = 5
Routing version = 2.0.0, Type = Endnode IV
Maximum circuits = 4
Incoming proxy = Disabled
Outgoing proxy = Disabled
Segment buffer size = 576
NCP>SHOW LINE DUP-0 CHAR
21:15:02 SYSLOG -- 70. *ERROR* On scan file open
21:15:19 SYSLOG -- 4. FCS I/O error code = 347
file: DU0:[???,???]SYSSCAN.TMP;1
Line characteristics as of 4-MAY-14 21:15:19
Line = DUP-0
No information
NCP>SHOW CIRCUIT DUP-0 CHAR
Circuit characteristics as of 4-MAY-14 21:15:41
Circuit = DUP-0
Type = DDCMP Point
NCP>SHOW KNOWN LINES
Known lines summary as of 4-MAY-14 21:15:57
Line State
UNA-0 On
DUP-0 Cleared
KDP-0-0 Cleared
DMC-0 Cleared
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On 2014-05-04 20:53, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2014-05-04 11:36, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello all,
Circuit = DUP-0
State = Cleared
Can anyone point me towards documentation on configuring a KDP/DUP on
RSX? I want to see the issues getting the KS10 simulator connected to
RSX for myself.
NCP>SET CIRCUIT DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
NCP>SET LINE DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
NCP>SET LINE KDP-0-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
It seems NCP on RSX is a bit different than on others. ;)
What does SHOW LINE DUP-0 CHAR and SHOW CIR DUP-0 CHAR show?
Oh, yeah. SHOW EXEC CHAR would also be helpful.
Johnny
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On 2014-05-04 11:36, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Hello all,
Circuit = DUP-0
State = Cleared
Can anyone point me towards documentation on configuring a KDP/DUP on
RSX? I want to see the issues getting the KS10 simulator connected to
RSX for myself.
NCP>SET CIRCUIT DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
NCP>SET LINE DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
NCP>SET LINE KDP-0-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
It seems NCP on RSX is a bit different than on others. ;)
What does SHOW LINE DUP-0 CHAR and SHOW CIR DUP-0 CHAR show?
Johnny
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On 4 May 2014, at 05:51, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons <jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
El 04/05/2014, a les 11.36, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Hello all,
Circuit = DUP-0
State = Cleared
Can anyone point me towards documentation on configuring a KDP/DUP on RSX? I want to see the issues getting the KS10 simulator connected to RSX for myself.
NCP>SET CIRCUIT DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
NCP>SET LINE DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
NCP>SET LINE KDP-0-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
It seems NCP on RSX is a bit different than on others. ;)
I assume you did a NETGEN to add the DUP, did you?
Yup!
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El 04/05/2014, a les 11.36, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Hello all,
Circuit = DUP-0
State = Cleared
Can anyone point me towards documentation on configuring a KDP/DUP on RSX? I want to see the issues getting the KS10 simulator connected to RSX for myself.
NCP>SET CIRCUIT DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
NCP>SET LINE DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
NCP>SET LINE KDP-0-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
It seems NCP on RSX is a bit different than on others. ;)
I assume you did a NETGEN to add the DUP, did you?
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
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Hello all,
Circuit = DUP-0
State = Cleared
Can anyone point me towards documentation on configuring a KDP/DUP on RSX? I want to see the issues getting the KS10 simulator connected to RSX for myself.
NCP>SET CIRCUIT DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, component in wrong state, Line
NCP>SET LINE DUP-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
NCP>SET LINE KDP-0-0 STATE ON
NCP -- Set failed, parameter not applicable, State
It seems NCP on RSX is a bit different than on others. ;)
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Yes, funny. I just answered that. :)
Dynamips works just fine on ARM. Only without CPU idling (unfortunately).
-Mark
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:59 AM, Brian Hechinger <wonko at 4amlunch.net> wrote:
Does dynamips run on arm?
-brian
> On May 2, 2014, at 9:45, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
>>
>>
>>> On 2 May 2014, at 14:29, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or something?
>>>
>>> Have a cisco box?
>>
>> No, I have a Linux ARM machine, but no Cisco gear (not keen on having a lump of Cisco gear just for DECnet)
>
> Pick up a 2524. Mine was $10 and it pulls about 22W. ;)
>
>>> Have IPv6?
>>
>> I honestly don't know if it works on this ISP line. I assume it does but I've never tested it.
>
> If it does, you could do the bridge between me. I've got to do some hackery to autoupdate ipv6.
>
>
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I was emulating a full cisco 7206VXR in dynamips/dynagen on my linux/ARM based NAS, doing DECnet GRE tunneling to Dave, *and* running KLH10. The only reason I moved them both to an Intel NUC was that neither emulator supports CPU idling on ARM, and I was worried about the CPU overheating since it was always pegged at 100%. If this is not an issue for you (and you have adequate cooling), there's no reason you can't emulate a cisco on linux/ARM.
-Mark
On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 6:42 AM, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 2 May 2014, at 14:29, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or something?
>>
>
> Have a cisco box?
No, I have a Linux ARM machine, but no Cisco gear (not keen on having a lump of Cisco gear just for DECnet)
> Have IPv6?
I honestly don't know if it works on this ISP line. I assume it does but I've never tested it.
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The development branch of the code now compiles and runs on a Raspberry Pi. I have not given it a detailed test though, but anyone is welcome to try it. As it uses pcap run it with sudo.
The route20.ini file needs to be something like this:
[node]
level=2
address=5.99
name=A5RTR
priority=64
[ethernet]
interface=eth0
cost=3
[bridge]
address=psilo.update.uu.se:4711
port=4711
cost=5
; DNS section is optional, if not present then there is no periodic check to make sure
; that IP addresses have not changed. Note that the periodic checks do not cause any delay
; as they are done asynchronously.
[dns]
address=<your DNS address>
poll=<poll period in seconds>
Regards
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Robert Jarratt Sent: 03 May 2014 10:46 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: [HECnet] Getting reconnected...
I am working right now to get the code to compile and then work on a Raspberry Pi.
Regards
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Benson Sent: 03 May 2014 10:28 To: HECnet Subject: Re: [HECnet] Getting reconnected...
On 2 May 2014, at 23:55, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello! Robert I thought I'd mention that I've gone ahead and glommed a copy of the router and source code to work with it. This will hopefully be on an Pi, and possibly be on Win2K3 but that's about it for now....
I'm rolling mine hopefully to ultimately run it on RaspberryPi too. They do make excellent low powered DEC routers ^_^.
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I am working right now to get the code to compile and then work on a Raspberry Pi.
Regards
Rob
From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Mark Benson Sent: 03 May 2014 10:28 To: HECnet Subject: Re: [HECnet] Getting reconnected...
On 2 May 2014, at 23:55, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello! Robert I thought I'd mention that I've gone ahead and glommed a copy of the router and source code to work with it. This will hopefully be on an Pi, and possibly be on Win2K3 but that's about it for now....
I'm rolling mine hopefully to ultimately run it on RaspberryPi too. They do make excellent low powered DEC routers ^_^.
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On 2 May 2014, at 23:55, Gregg Levine <gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com> wrote:
Hello!
Robert I thought I'd mention that I've gone ahead and glommed a copy
of the router and source code to work with it. This will hopefully be
on an Pi, and possibly be on Win2K3 but that's about it for now....
I'm rolling mine hopefully to ultimately run it on RaspberryPi too. They do make excellent low powered DEC routers ^_^.
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On Sat, 3 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
are phase-IV.
Well, if it truly is Phase II, then yeah, I would not expect it to work. But I was pretty sure it was Phase III, in which case it should work.
I wonder if the V4.1 TSU01 update fixes any of it.
It certainly seems to include some newer things...and has much newer datecodes! 1990/1989 versus 1979/1982
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Hello!
That's the direct replacement for it. The datasheet will confirm it.
The batteries technically have a life of five years. I say
"technically" because that's the same for every system who uses that
method of backing up NVRAM, and I have not had a reason to change it.
Disk drives sure, but not the NVRAM battery.
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:07 AM, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
<jg at jordi.guillaumes.name> wrote:
Some moths ago we discussed about replacements for the dying DS1287A RTC chips used in some machines, like the VAXStation 4000. At that time I found (and shared) a chinese dealer who had some chips in stock. I ordered a pair of those, and:
- One of them was dead on arrival.
- The other one was working, but it died a month ago (so I guess the chinese stock is made with old chips whose battery cells are dying).
Fortunately, there are good news. There is a snap-in replacement made by MAXIM. The chip is the DS12887A, and can be bought from regular electronics sources. I got mine from Farnell, at 11,13 a piece, and it aparently works flawlesly. This is the datasheet:
http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/22860.pdf
The Farnell part # is 1606597.
(I also have tried to fix one of my dead 1287's, but I'm not very good with the solder iron...)
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Actually the situation is somewhat more complex but is difficult to see
exactly as the OPR on the Pdp10 7.02 does not function, so NCP cannot be
used to define nodes and give status.
The phase-III thinks the following:
[DECnet network: local node SWBW08, 2 reachable nodes]
Name Number Line Cost Hops L.Links Delay
SWBW08 (58) local 0 0
(44) DMR-1-0 1023 31
The Tops20 4.1 thinks:
Local DECNET node: SWBX05
Accessible DECNET nodes are: SWBX04 SWBX05 and:
Status as of 3-May-2014 02:07:01
Line ID State Adjacent Node
KDP_0_0 On SWBX04
KDP_0_1 On
Function completed successfully
Node 44 is the Swbx04 with is connected to the phase III
So the phase-III thinks the Tops20 node is up, however the Tops20 node
thinks otherwise.
So somewhat more is functioning than directly meets the eye!
Regards,
Reindert
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On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2014 00:52
Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] [HECnet] TOPS-20 V4.1 DECnet
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Hi.
On 2014-05-02 20:02, simh at swabhawat.com wrote:
Hi guys,
Well, if it truly is Phase II, then yeah, I would not expect it to
work. But I was pretty sure it was Phase III, in which case it should
work.
There's a tape listed as Phase III...is it not Phase III?!
Further there is no difference between the functioning of a Rsts-E
10.1 and a Rsx11MP46 Pdp11 with respect to Dup/Dmc/Ethernet if Rsts-E
will support the Dup/Dmc lines and will route as it is primarily an
Ethernet system.
Well, therein lies the problem. RSTS/E simply did not support a bunch
of thing that RSX did support.
But yes, assuming the OS support a device, it should work equally well
under RSTS/E and RSX.
Huh.
To make these things work the following has to be done:
1. Upgrade Tops20-4.1 Decnet to real phase-III, it then will link to a
Pdp10 Tops10 7.02 based phase-III router.
2. Repair/upgrade the Tops10 7.02 router code so that it will talk to a
phase-IV node.
What is wrong with the Tops-10 DECnet phase III code if it don't
interoperate with a phase IV node?
Both things will require Tops monitor programming; the Tops10 7.02
case will probably be the most simple of the two.
On the physical plane nothing is wrong as the packets do flow; only
the DDCMP communication process will not startup; it hangs around in
the startup phase.
That's sad.
But DDCMP should not be too hard to get working. And RSX support DDCMP
both on synchronous and asynchronous serial lines. And both using
devices that implement DDCMP, and software implemented DDCMP.
Johnny
Best regards
Reindert
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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 19:31
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Subject: Re: [Simh] [HECnet] TOPS-20 V4.1 DECnet
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On May 2, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
<Mark at infocomm.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 02, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
...If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine,
you'll want to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly
interchangeable). In a sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC
emulation speaks real DDCMP so it should talk with a software
DDCMP
implementation, such as one that uses a DUP.
The DUP has only been tested talking to the KDP and DMC/DMR on RSX.
If
someone wants to try on RSTS I'd like to know if any issues are found.
I'll see what I can do. Since a DMC/DMR does DDCMP itself, it
shouldn't
matter what OS is talking to it; if you get success with DECnet/RSX,
I would expect it to work with DECnet/E as well.
Or, since it doesn't know sync from async, it will probably talk
to a software DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
I believe that it should also talk to an OS based DDCMP
implementation
which uses Async ports. If someone is willing to test this, I'll work
on
any kinks which may be found which might inhibit this.
I'm trying to make some progress on that (using RSTS V10.1).
Let me know. I'm interested in using RSTS/E to link TOPS-20/KS.
paul
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From: <simh at swabhawat.com>
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 20:02:12 +0200
....
Tim Litt mentioned a while ago that Tops20 4.1 was rather more of a phase-II
then a III; I call it phase-II+ as it appears to have some routing
functionality.
I started at DEC around October of 1981, and at that time Phase II was
the rule, and everything supported "poor man's routing"; You specified
HOP1::HOP2::HOP3..... and the intermediate hops were made by
connecting to a "pass thruough" listener on an adjacent node. TOPS-20
5.1 with Phase III made it onto the layered products machine (KL2137)
not long after I arrived.
My recall is that the KL was never a router until Phase IV. A DN20 was
loaded with software ISTR everyone loved to hate (MCB?) that did Phase
III routing, so the KL may have been just a Phase II-ish endnode that
knew about Phase III addressing, and I wouldn't expect much more of
the KS, so multiple DECnet circuits on a KS may just not make much
sense.
But I was just a lowly FORTRAN team member....
Phil
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Just to let you know, the Main branch already works on Linux (on the Pi and I think Debian too). The Dev branch, where I have been adding Network Management and DDCMP, and other bug fixes, is still Windows only.
Given the uptick in interest I will probably do a bit of work to get the Dev branch working on Linux in the next few days.
Regards
Rob
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From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On
Behalf Of Gregg Levine
Sent: 02 May 2014 23:56
To: hecnet at update.uu.se
Subject: Re: [HECnet] Getting reconnected...
Hello!
Robert I thought I'd mention that I've gone ahead and glommed a copy of the
router and source code to work with it. This will hopefully be on an Pi, and
possibly be on Win2K3 but that's about it for now....
-----
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Robert Jarratt <robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com>
wrote:
Are you talking about the user mode router? If so, that would be me.
You can find it at http://route20.codeplex.com/ I have been doing most
of the more recent development on Windows, and have not ported it to
linux yet, but could do so if you are interested.
Regards
Rob
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Sent: 02/ 05/ 2014 14:26
To: HECnet
Subject: [HECnet] Getting reconnected...
Hi,
Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing
sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't
use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe
VPN or something?
Also there was someone who was developing a Linux-based DECnet router,
is that still going/viable?
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On 2014-05-03 00:52, Cory Smelosky wrote:
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Hi.
On 2014-05-02 20:02, simh at swabhawat.com wrote:
Hi guys,
Well, if it truly is Phase II, then yeah, I would not expect it to
work. But I was pretty sure it was Phase III, in which case it should
work.
There's a tape listed as Phase III...is it not Phase III?!
That's what I read Reindert message as. I do not know for certain myself.
Further there is no difference between the functioning of a Rsts-E
10.1 and
a Rsx11MP46 Pdp11 with respect to Dup/Dmc/Ethernet if Rsts-E will
support
the Dup/Dmc lines and will route as it is primarily an Ethernet system.
Well, therein lies the problem. RSTS/E simply did not support a bunch
of thing that RSX did support.
But yes, assuming the OS support a device, it should work equally well
under RSTS/E and RSX.
Huh.
Did I write something strange? I thought not.
To reiterate. DECnet under RSX supports things that is not available under DECnet/E. Unless I remember wrong, DECnet/E do not support asynchronous DDCMP links. DECnet/E also cannot function as an area router. DECnet/E also do not support path splitting.
And I do not believe DECnet/E supports all the hardware that DECnet-RSX do.
Looking at the SPD, DECnet/E do not have support for the DUP11 for example.
Johnny
To make these things work the following has to be done:
1. Upgrade Tops20-4.1 Decnet to real phase-III, it then will link
to a
Pdp10 Tops10 7.02 based phase-III router.
2. Repair/upgrade the Tops10 7.02 router code so that it will talk
to a
phase-IV node.
What is wrong with the Tops-10 DECnet phase III code if it don't
interoperate with a phase IV node?
Both things will require Tops monitor programming; the Tops10 7.02
case will
probably be the most simple of the two.
On the physical plane nothing is wrong as the packets do flow; only the
DDCMP communication process will not startup; it hangs around in the
startup
phase.
That's sad.
But DDCMP should not be too hard to get working. And RSX support DDCMP
both on synchronous and asynchronous serial lines. And both using
devices that implement DDCMP, and software implemented DDCMP.
Johnny
Best regards
Reindert
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Subject: Re: [Simh] [HECnet] TOPS-20 V4.1 DECnet
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On May 2, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
<Mark at infocomm.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 02, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
...If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine,
you'll want to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly
interchangeable). In a sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation
speaks real DDCMP so it should talk with a software DDCMP
implementation, such as one that uses a DUP.
The DUP has only been tested talking to the KDP and DMC/DMR on
RSX. If
someone wants to try on RSTS I'd like to know if any issues are found.
I'll see what I can do. Since a DMC/DMR does DDCMP itself, it
shouldn't
matter what OS is talking to it; if you get success with DECnet/RSX,
I would
expect it to work with DECnet/E as well.
Or, since it doesn't know sync from async, it will probably talk to
a software DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
I believe that it should also talk to an OS based DDCMP implementation
which uses Async ports. If someone is willing to test this, I'll
work on
any kinks which may be found which might inhibit this.
I'm trying to make some progress on that (using RSTS V10.1).
Let me know. I'm interested in using RSTS/E to link TOPS-20/KS.
paul
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On 05/02/2014 06:49 PM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
On 2014-05-02 21:03, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 05/02/2014 03:53 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
But using FORTRAN, we could potentially use overlays and such.
Well, overlays do not depend on FORTRAN, you can use that no matter what
language you choose.
Yes, of course. I don't know what I was thinking. Thank you for the
correction. I myself have only actually used overlays with FORTRAN;
that was probably the source of my error.
:-)
Late at night?
Yep. :-/
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Hello!
Robert I thought I'd mention that I've gone ahead and glommed a copy
of the router and source code to work with it. This will hopefully be
on an Pi, and possibly be on Win2K3 but that's about it for now....
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On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Robert Jarratt
<robert.jarratt at ntlworld.com> wrote:
Are you talking about the user mode router? If so, that would be me. You can
find it at http://route20.codeplex.com/ I have been doing most of the more
recent development on Windows, and have not ported it to linux yet, but
could do so if you are interested.
Regards
Rob
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From: Mark Benson
Sent: 02/ 05/ 2014 14:26
To: HECnet
Subject: [HECnet] Getting reconnected...
Hi,
Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing
sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the
bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or
something?
Also there was someone who was developing a Linux-based DECnet router, is
that still going/viable?
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On Sat, 3 May 2014, Johnny Billquist wrote:
Hi.
On 2014-05-02 20:02, simh at swabhawat.com wrote:
Hi guys,
Well, if it truly is Phase II, then yeah, I would not expect it to work. But I was pretty sure it was Phase III, in which case it should work.
There's a tape listed as Phase III...is it not Phase III?!
Further there is no difference between the functioning of a Rsts-E 10.1 and
a Rsx11MP46 Pdp11 with respect to Dup/Dmc/Ethernet if Rsts-E will support
the Dup/Dmc lines and will route as it is primarily an Ethernet system.
Well, therein lies the problem. RSTS/E simply did not support a bunch of thing that RSX did support.
But yes, assuming the OS support a device, it should work equally well under RSTS/E and RSX.
Huh.
To make these things work the following has to be done:
1. Upgrade Tops20-4.1 Decnet to real phase-III, it then will link to a
Pdp10 Tops10 7.02 based phase-III router.
2. Repair/upgrade the Tops10 7.02 router code so that it will talk to a
phase-IV node.
What is wrong with the Tops-10 DECnet phase III code if it don't interoperate with a phase IV node?
Both things will require Tops monitor programming; the Tops10 7.02 case will
probably be the most simple of the two.
On the physical plane nothing is wrong as the packets do flow; only the
DDCMP communication process will not startup; it hangs around in the startup
phase.
That's sad.
But DDCMP should not be too hard to get working. And RSX support DDCMP both on synchronous and asynchronous serial lines. And both using devices that implement DDCMP, and software implemented DDCMP.
Johnny
Best regards
Reindert
-----Original Message-----
From: simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com]
On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 19:31
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] [HECnet] TOPS-20 V4.1 DECnet
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On May 2, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
<Mark at infocomm.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 02, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
...If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine,
you'll want to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly
interchangeable). In a sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation
speaks real DDCMP so it should talk with a software DDCMP
implementation, such as one that uses a DUP.
The DUP has only been tested talking to the KDP and DMC/DMR on RSX. If
someone wants to try on RSTS I'd like to know if any issues are found.
I'll see what I can do. Since a DMC/DMR does DDCMP itself, it shouldn't
matter what OS is talking to it; if you get success with DECnet/RSX, I would
expect it to work with DECnet/E as well.
Or, since it doesn't know sync from async, it will probably talk to
a software DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
I believe that it should also talk to an OS based DDCMP implementation
which uses Async ports. If someone is willing to test this, I'll work on
any kinks which may be found which might inhibit this.
I'm trying to make some progress on that (using RSTS V10.1).
Let me know. I'm interested in using RSTS/E to link TOPS-20/KS.
paul
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On 2014-05-02 21:03, Dave McGuire wrote:
On 05/02/2014 03:53 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
But using FORTRAN, we could potentially use overlays and such.
Well, overlays do not depend on FORTRAN, you can use that no matter what
language you choose.
Yes, of course. I don't know what I was thinking. Thank you for the
correction. I myself have only actually used overlays with FORTRAN;
that was probably the source of my error.
:-)
Late at night?
Johnny
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Hi.
On 2014-05-02 20:02, simh at swabhawat.com wrote:
Hi guys,
what you propose will not work.
I already connected a Tops20 4.1 with a phase-III Tops10 Pdp10 and even that
will not work.
Tops20-4.1 to a clone does as well as a Pdp10 phase-III to a clone does.
Tim Litt mentioned a while ago that Tops20 4.1 was rather more of a phase-II
then a III; I call it phase-II+ as it appears to have some routing
functionality.
So it will certainly not work with Rsts-E 10.1L and Rsx11MP46 as all these
are phase-IV.
Well, if it truly is Phase II, then yeah, I would not expect it to work. But I was pretty sure it was Phase III, in which case it should work.
Further there is no difference between the functioning of a Rsts-E 10.1 and
a Rsx11MP46 Pdp11 with respect to Dup/Dmc/Ethernet if Rsts-E will support
the Dup/Dmc lines and will route as it is primarily an Ethernet system.
Well, therein lies the problem. RSTS/E simply did not support a bunch of thing that RSX did support.
But yes, assuming the OS support a device, it should work equally well under RSTS/E and RSX.
To make these things work the following has to be done:
1. Upgrade Tops20-4.1 Decnet to real phase-III, it then will link to a
Pdp10 Tops10 7.02 based phase-III router.
2. Repair/upgrade the Tops10 7.02 router code so that it will talk to a
phase-IV node.
What is wrong with the Tops-10 DECnet phase III code if it don't interoperate with a phase IV node?
Both things will require Tops monitor programming; the Tops10 7.02 case will
probably be the most simple of the two.
On the physical plane nothing is wrong as the packets do flow; only the
DDCMP communication process will not startup; it hangs around in the startup
phase.
That's sad.
But DDCMP should not be too hard to get working. And RSX support DDCMP both on synchronous and asynchronous serial lines. And both using devices that implement DDCMP, and software implemented DDCMP.
Johnny
Best regards
Reindert
-----Original Message-----
From: simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com [mailto:simh-bounces at trailing-edge.com]
On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky
Sent: Friday, May 02, 2014 19:31
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Cc: simh at trailing-edge.com
Subject: Re: [Simh] [HECnet] TOPS-20 V4.1 DECnet
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote:
On May 2, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Mark Pizzolato - Info Comm
<Mark at infocomm.com> wrote:
On Friday, May 02, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
...If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine,
you'll want to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly
interchangeable). In a sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation
speaks real DDCMP so it should talk with a software DDCMP
implementation, such as one that uses a DUP.
The DUP has only been tested talking to the KDP and DMC/DMR on RSX. If
someone wants to try on RSTS I'd like to know if any issues are found.
I'll see what I can do. Since a DMC/DMR does DDCMP itself, it shouldn't
matter what OS is talking to it; if you get success with DECnet/RSX, I would
expect it to work with DECnet/E as well.
Or, since it doesn't know sync from async, it will probably talk to
a software DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
I believe that it should also talk to an OS based DDCMP implementation
which uses Async ports. If someone is willing to test this, I'll work on
any kinks which may be found which might inhibit this.
I'm trying to make some progress on that (using RSTS V10.1).
Let me know. I'm interested in using RSTS/E to link TOPS-20/KS.
paul
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On Sat, 3 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
This BlackBerry is a huge improvement. The formatting is off but at least you can read the content. The previous device was a disaster, remember? :-)
True, true. ;)
Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
Origineel bericht
?? Van: Cory Smelosky
Verzonden: zaterdag 3 mei 2014 00:22
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Parallel computing using DECnet
On Sat, 3 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
What error? It wasn't wrong, incomplete at most.
Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone.
Origineel bericht
?? Van: Dave McGuire
Verzonden: vrijdag 2 mei 2014 21:03
Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Parallel computing using DECnet
On 05/02/2014 03:53 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote:
But using FORTRAN, we could potentially use overlays and such.
Well, overlays do not depend on FORTRAN, you can use that no matter what
language you choose.
Yes, of course. I don't know what I was thinking. Thank you for the
correction. I myself have only actually used overlays with FORTRAN;
that was probably the source of my error.
-Dave
Your email client is really bad at formatting replies. ;)
Maybe it's just that I try to strip all HTML...:P
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