El 20/05/2014, a les 15.25, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Going to fight RSTS/E first. I can succeed if I image with a VAX. ;)
Thanks! What kit did you use for 4.8 non-plus?
I've got several tape images named "decnet11something" around. I guess its the one named "decnet11m48", but I'm not completely sure about that.
And, yes, I'm a disaster.
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On Tue, 20 May 2014, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
For creating a disk image...the drive is 1048617 blocks.
Do I use 1024 or 1000 to define 1M? Should I do 512M or 536M?
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On Tue, 20 May 2014, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 20/05/2014, a les 15.14, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Unless you want to feel the pain (or the joy) of manually defining memory partitions, I'd suggest you to go PLUS :)
Can't! No Split I&D.
Ouch :)
I managed to decnetize a 4.8 (simulated) machine. Yell if you need help doing so (if you are planning to network it of course).
Going to fight RSTS/E first. I can succeed if I image with a VAX. ;)
Thanks! What kit did you use for 4.8 non-plus?
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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El 20/05/2014, a les 15.14, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Unless you want to feel the pain (or the joy) of manually defining memory partitions, I'd suggest you to go PLUS :)
Can't! No Split I&D.
Ouch :)
I managed to decnetize a 4.8 (simulated) machine. Yell if you need help doing so (if you are planning to network it of course).
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
On Tue, 20 May 2014, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 20/05/2014, a les 14.33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Back to trying RSX-11M 4.8. That's 100M and doubtful it'll complain.
Unless you want to feel the pain (or the joy) of manually defining memory partitions, I'd suggest you to go PLUS :)
Can't! No Split I&D.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
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El 20/05/2014, a les 14.33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> va escriure:
Back to trying RSX-11M 4.8. That's 100M and doubtful it'll complain.
Unless you want to feel the pain (or the joy) of manually defining memory partitions, I'd suggest you to go PLUS :)
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
jg at jordi.guillaumes.name
HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES
So:
Pack cluster size is not 1, 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 or 64.
PC=120324 PS=030344 OV=000006 M5=004000 M6=004200 SP=041240
R0=000026 R1=143161 R2=143161 R3=000000 R4=000000 R5=041350
The disk should be around ~512M. I created a 500M disk.
Disk? DU0
Pack ID? 0
Pack cluster size <16>?
MFD cluster size <16>?
SATT.SYS base <30530>?
Pre-extend directories <NO>?
PUB, PRI, or SYS <SYS>?
[1,1] cluster size <16>?
[1,2] cluster size <16>?
[1,1] and [1,2] account base <30530>?
Date last modified <YES>?
New files first <NO>?
Read-only <NO>?
Patterns <3>? 0
Erase Disk <YES>? YES
Proceed (Y or N)? Y
Unless the partitioning is written to the first block and not done through controller NVRAM...I can't see the reasoning.
Back to trying RSX-11M 4.8. That's 100M and doubtful it'll complain.
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On Mon, 19 May 2014, Jerome H. Fine wrote:
Since you are obviously using either V05.06 or V05.07
Yup. 5.07. It has Mentec branding!
(only the last two versions of RT-11 have the RT11ZM
Monitor), you can use the VRUN command to support
giving LINK all 64 KB of memory. Naturally, you
will probably need at least 256 KB of total physical
memory on even a PDP-11/23 (to run RT11XM as well as
to provide the needed extended memory to provide
LINK with the full 64 KB to run in) although 128 KB
might do in a pinch depending on which device you use
for the system device.
Thanks. I'll look in to VRUN.
NOTE that a PDP-11/23 does not have the IOPAGE MMU
registers to support RT11ZM (which you probably already
know or have found out).
Yup. ;)
Let me know if the VRUN command works. There are more
things to try if that does not work.
Will do. Currently stuck in standalone mkfs trying to write to a separate disk. Will head down and reset shortly.
If you insist on using RT11FB and that does not work,
then try RT11SB which may take less memory. If that
is insufficient, go back to an earlier version of RT-11
and try RT11SJ.
TSX+ has to be started from SB/SJ/FB iirc.
Otherwise, LINK has a few options to expand the Symbol
Table size. If you don't have access to the LINK chapter,
let me know and I can look it up.
Thanks!
It sounds like you are trying to LINK TSX-Plus which
does require a HUGE Symbol Table. If possible, have
only the system device driver loaded if not using RT11XM
(which will allow you to use VRUN which will use extended
memory, so low memory will not matter).
Otherwise, if you have a TSX-Plus configuration already
available, switch to that to perform your LINK.
Jerome Fine
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>Cory Smelosky wrote:
Afternoon,
I have a quick RT-11 question hopefully someone can help with without me needing the skim the entire linker manual. ;)
Would ?LINK-F-Symbol table overflow be a result of monitor configuration constraints, memory constraints, or something else? I've linked TSX+ in SIMH fine so I have no idea why it's failing on the real 11/23. I think I had linked it under the ZM monitor in SIMH though...not XM.
Since you are obviously using either V05.06 or V05.07
(only the last two versions of RT-11 have the RT11ZM
Monitor), you can use the VRUN command to support
giving LINK all 64 KB of memory. Naturally, you
will probably need at least 256 KB of total physical
memory on even a PDP-11/23 (to run RT11XM as well as
to provide the needed extended memory to provide
LINK with the full 64 KB to run in) although 128 KB
might do in a pinch depending on which device you use
for the system device.
NOTE that a PDP-11/23 does not have the IOPAGE MMU
registers to support RT11ZM (which you probably already
know or have found out).
Let me know if the VRUN command works. There are more
things to try if that does not work.
If you insist on using RT11FB and that does not work,
then try RT11SB which may take less memory. If that
is insufficient, go back to an earlier version of RT-11
and try RT11SJ.
Otherwise, LINK has a few options to expand the Symbol
Table size. If you don't have access to the LINK chapter,
let me know and I can look it up.
It sounds like you are trying to LINK TSX-Plus which
does require a HUGE Symbol Table. If possible, have
only the system device driver loaded if not using RT11XM
(which will allow you to use VRUN which will use extended
memory, so low memory will not matter).
Otherwise, if you have a TSX-Plus configuration already
available, switch to that to perform your LINK.
Jerome Fine
Since it is 33 years ago since I linked something on RT-11 it's probably better to keep my mouth shut...
Use /P:n to correct for symbol table overflow.
Supply a value n>170 (decimal)
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Onderwerp: [HECnet] Quick RT-11 question
Afternoon,
I have a quick RT-11 question hopefully someone can help with without me
needing the skim the entire linker manual. ;)
Would ?LINK-F-Symbol table overflow be a result of monitor configuration
constraints, memory constraints, or something else? I've linked TSX+ in
SIMH fine so I have no idea why it's failing on the real 11/23. I think I
had linked it under the ZM monitor in SIMH though...not XM.
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Afternoon,
I have a quick RT-11 question hopefully someone can help with without me needing the skim the entire linker manual. ;)
Would ?LINK-F-Symbol table overflow be a result of monitor configuration constraints, memory constraints, or something else? I've linked TSX+ in SIMH fine so I have no idea why it's failing on the real 11/23. I think I had linked it under the ZM monitor in SIMH though...not XM.
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If anyone come across DECnet-IAS or DEcnet -11D while looking for the elusive DECnet-RT11, let me know...
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-----Original Message----- From: Cory Smelosky
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 2:04 AM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] RT-11 DECnet?
On Sun, 18 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
Certainly. The hard part is FINDING it. ;)
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Ah, yes, I know :-)
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On Sun, 18 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
Certainly. The hard part is FINDING it. ;)
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On Sun, 18 May 2014, Hans Vlems wrote:
Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
Certainly. The hard part is FINDING it. ;)
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Cory, when you find DECnet for rt11, can I have a copy? I know it's phase 3 only but it would be nice on a simh system to have.
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Hello,
Now that I've gotten RT-11 rolling on the 11/23...is there any way to get
DECnet rolling on it? I can't find a tape image anywhere. :(
If I'm going to get stuff copied to this...it's going to help to have
higher than 9600baud going for me. ;)
I suppose I could install the TCP/IP stuff but I've never actually done
that. Would TSX+ run on an 11/23?
Once my cleaning tapes arrive I'm going to install RSTS/E from one
of my DDS-3 tapes via SCSI drive. ;) (Here's hoping the bootstrap on the
SCSI controller does TMSCP bootstrap!)
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I have one. Never used it though. What's wrong with it?
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Onderwerp: Re: [DECtec] [HECnet] TK50 issues
On Sat, 17 May 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Agreed with the operation being confusing. ;)
I think I'm going to end up just cleaning a DAT drive and shoving RSTS/E
install media on that.
I have Exabyte, DDS-3 and TK50 on my PDP-11 at home. I never use the
TK50. :-)
Hopefully, your Exabyte isn't the 8200. ;)
Speaking of the Exabyte 8200...I just found an exabyte 8200 in my MVIII.
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I think so too. Methanol is a very good solvent, but not necessarily originele to its acidity. HF is a weak acid but may be stored in very few other materials, not even in glass.
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it's a good point - I just looked and it's not that different from water.
But, I've seen fuel systems that ran on pure methanol corroded pretty
quickly if they weren't cleaned out after a run. I guess the corrosion is
enhanced in methanol by effects on the surface layer of metals like aluminum
and magnesium, that depend on a surface layer to halt corrosion.
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-----Original Message-----
From: Hans Vlems
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:31 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] TK50 issues
Lee, have you looked up the pKa for methanol?
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Methanol would do as well but is more poisonous.
Careful with methanol - it's a more potent solvent in general than ethanol
or isopropanol. Lots of rubber and plastic compounds are attacked by
methanol.
Additionally, the H in the OH group isn't held onto as tightly as in the
other organic OH compounds, so methanol is corrosive to metal.
It's also a middlin' good oxidizer for some metals.
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On 5/17/2014 2:19 PM, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Hopefully, your Exabyte isn't the 8200. ;)
When I worked at Wright-Patterson AFB in the early 90's we had a bank of dual Exabyte 8200 devices. As I recall we had some teething problems but eventually they worked pretty well. I left in April '94 so it must have been late '92 or early '93 when we started using them.
John H. Reinhardt
Hello,
Now that I've gotten RT-11 rolling on the 11/23...is there any way to get DECnet rolling on it? I can't find a tape image anywhere. :(
If I'm going to get stuff copied to this...it's going to help to have higher than 9600baud going for me. ;)
I suppose I could install the TCP/IP stuff but I've never actually done that. Would TSX+ run on an 11/23?
Once my cleaning tapes arrive I'm going to install RSTS/E from one of my DDS-3 tapes via SCSI drive. ;) (Here's hoping the bootstrap on the SCSI controller does TMSCP bootstrap!)
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On Sat, 17 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Ok, so dynamips is your plan? Cory should be able to help you with that. I haven't messed with dynamips lately.
Let's hope I can find the configs I had laying around. ;)
I ahd better luck running it on a BSD than linux...Linux networking stack has issues in some situations.
Once that's up we can talk IOS bits. :)
-brian
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Ok, so dynamips is your plan? Cory should be able to help you with that. I haven't messed with dynamips lately.
Once that's up we can talk IOS bits. :)
-brian
On May 17, 2014, at 15:32, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 4 May 2014, at 03:41, Mark Abene <phiber at phiber.com> wrote:
I was emulating a full cisco 7206VXR in dynamips/dynagen on my linux/ARM
Okay, I want to get this up and going but I have ZERO experience on Cisco, IOS or anything that emulates it. Google results are a bit confusing, so some pointers would be greatly appreciated!
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On Sat, 17 May 2014, Brian Schenkenberger, VAXman- wrote:
Agreed with the operation being confusing. ;)
I think I'm going to end up just cleaning a DAT drive and shoving RSTS/E
install media on that.
I have Exabyte, DDS-3 and TK50 on my PDP-11 at home. I never use the
TK50. :-)
Hopefully, your Exabyte isn't the 8200. ;)
Speaking of the Exabyte 8200...I just found an exabyte 8200 in my MVIII.
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it's a good point - I just looked and it's not that different from water. But, I've seen fuel systems that ran on pure methanol corroded pretty quickly if they weren't cleaned out after a run. I guess the corrosion is enhanced in methanol by effects on the surface layer of metals like aluminum and magnesium, that depend on a surface layer to halt corrosion.
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-----Original Message----- From: Hans Vlems
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 3:31 PM
To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE
Subject: Re: [HECnet] TK50 issues
Lee, have you looked up the pKa for methanol?
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Methanol would do as well but is more poisonous.
Careful with methanol - it's a more potent solvent in general than ethanol
or isopropanol. Lots of rubber and plastic compounds are attacked by
methanol.
Additionally, the H in the OH group isn't held onto as tightly as in the
other organic OH compounds, so methanol is corrosive to metal.
It's also a middlin' good oxidizer for some metals.
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Lee, have you looked up the pKa for methanol?
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Methanol would do as well but is more poisonous.
Careful with methanol - it's a more potent solvent in general than ethanol
or isopropanol. Lots of rubber and plastic compounds are attacked by
methanol.
Additionally, the H in the OH group isn't held onto as tightly as in the
other organic OH compounds, so methanol is corrosive to metal.
It's also a middlin' good oxidizer for some metals.
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Methanol would do as well but is more poisonous.
Careful with methanol - it's a more potent solvent in general than ethanol or isopropanol. Lots of rubber and plastic compounds are attacked by methanol.
Additionally, the H in the OH group isn't held onto as tightly as in the other organic OH compounds, so methanol is corrosive to metal.
It's also a middlin' good oxidizer for some metals.
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Control-G Consultants
lee.gleason at comcast.net
