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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by jeep＠scshome.net

I am guessing the "Last" version. That is what it says... -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Bob Armstrong Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 20:44 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: RE: RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions RSTS/E 10.1L .... "L" ?? What's version 10.1L? Bob

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by bob＠jfcl.com

RSTS/E 10.1L .... "L" ?? What's version 10.1L? Bob

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by jeep＠scshome.net

RSTS/E 10.1L will run nicely on a PDP-11/23+. I do it all the time. That is what PLUTO:: is. -Steve -----Original Message----- From: owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE [mailto:owner-hecnet at Update.UU.SE] On Behalf Of Cory Smelosky Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 21:22 To: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Subject: Re: RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Dave McGuire wrote: On 02/16/2014 09:15 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: What're the requirements for RSTS/E 10.1? I think I managed to fit it in 40M very carefully in simh once... It will not fit on a single RL02, unfortunately. ;) I should get that UDA50, order a replacement drive, pickup the PSU and run it on the 11/44, then. ;) I'll find another solution for the 11/23+. The {11/03,11/23} can be RT-11 or RSX-11M+. It fits nicely on am RM02/RM03 (~70MB), with languages etc. I don't know what the strict requirements are for the OS itself, offhand. Ahh. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014, Paul_Koning at Dell.com wrote: On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: What're the requirements for RSTS/E 10.1? I think I managed to fit it in 40M very carefully in simh once? 40 MB of disk? That?s almost an RM03 worth of space. 10.1 certainly wants more than older releases, but that sounds like plenty. I seem to recall I got it to fit "comfortably" in 40M in simh. It took a bit of fiddling and I didn't have endless free disk, but I had enough. Come to think of it, my PRO has less than that. As for memory, I think 124 kW (max memory on 18 bit machines) is required. Hey, I have more than that! paul -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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OS X (lack of) tape support, was Re: [HECnet] tape image manipulations...

by clemc＠ccc.com

below (in blue) On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:00 PM, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 02/16/2014 10:54 PM, John Wilson wrote:> > Does it have any kind of raw SCSI interface, like /dev/sg* on Linux? *BSD, Linux, Darwin, Mach, Tru64, and SVR4/Solaris all used a different ways to splice SCSI support into the kernel I/O system and user namespace [actually I liked the way Tru64 did the best - thank you Fred if you are listening]. > It'd be easy to work around the lack of real tape drivers if so ... I think maybe it did not, but it's been awhile since I messed with OS X. If you note when you run "system info" the parallel SCSI kernel sub-system is still listed in the I/O section. Like Dave, it's been a while since I played with the Mach/Darwin kernel, but last I checked some of the pieces seem to be still there, i.e. a complete eradication of SCSI was not done by Apple. But at the time, I realized it was more than I wanted to mess with it. I have had some of the Darwin sources on my file server, and I'll try to take a peek later to see what is there. The issue I ran into is that since you are pulling the >>kernel<< support in, the support for the driver has to be in the key of that kernel which takes some messing around. The good news is from the user space all of them supported many of the same ioctl's and in particular used the *BSD tape interface - so I agree that in theory it should not be too hard. Clem

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by Paul_Koning＠Dell.com

On Feb 16, 2014, at 9:15 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: What're the requirements for RSTS/E 10.1? I think I managed to fit it in 40M very carefully in simh once 40 MB of disk? That s almost an RM03 worth of space. 10.1 certainly wants more than older releases, but that sounds like plenty. Come to think of it, my PRO has less than that. As for memory, I think 124 kW (max memory on 18 bit machines) is required. paul

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OS X (lack of) tape support, was Re: [HECnet] tape image manipulations...

by b4＠gewt.net

Sent from mobile device that advertises itself for no good reason On 16 Feb 2014, at 23:00, Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> wrote: On 02/16/2014 10:54 PM, John Wilson wrote: Apple suddenly and arbitrarily removed the tape drivers from OS X years ago. That was one reason why I dumped OS X. They unilaterally decided that I didn't need tape support, and I don't like being told how to conduct my business. Does it have any kind of raw SCSI interface, like /dev/sg* on Linux? It'd be easy to work around the lack of real tape drivers if so ... I think maybe it did not, but it's been awhile since I messed with OS X. It's gotten awful internally. Keep staying away. I am...intimately acquainted with its internals. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 04:19:16AM +0100, Peter Lothberg wrote: In Croatia we put 1GE simple fiber SFP in to the houses. Could be upgraded to 10G when prices come down. No pon, no nothing strange... We will hopefully start putting down fiber here in "rural" sweden in a year or so. It will be a group of (not so technical) locals doing the planning and negotiations with ISPs. Any tips or gotchas I need to know about? /P

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two dumb RSX questions

by roll＠Stupi.SE

DECnet fels|k.. Jag (n{r ja vaknar) fixar till en Frebsd burk p} lanet med routern och Krylbo, s} kan du testa med din brygga direkt hemifr}n dig om du har lust. Dagens radio |vning prata med en muppe i Mariefred. Det tog mig 38 min att bygga ihop ensam... -) Konton, ett guest//guest som inte funkar vi Internet kanske Om du inte vill kopiera med NFT kan jag g|ra band av filer, eller n}tt.. P} band fronten. "buffer programmet" har ingen inverkan p} DLT tapen. 4MM tape vill den av n}n anledning inte leka med. S} det blir DLT p} alla burkarna, $10 p} Wierd_stuff kan man ju leva med. DLT spolar hit och dit, men det funkar.. (Skall ta och konsolidera med en tape/disk CMD kontroller..) -P

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VMS Pak termination date ignored

by mholmes10＠hotmail.com

I noticed something weird last night. My multinet Pak expired and I had to get a new PAK online. I had to get my VMS hobbyist checksum to get my new multinet oak. While getting it, I noticed that my Hobbyist pak termination date had already passed but both alphas were booting up fine and not giving me the "expired license" notice like before. Has anyone else seen this behavior ?

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OS X (lack of) tape support, was Re: [HECnet] tape image manipulations...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 02/16/2014 10:54 PM, John Wilson wrote: Apple suddenly and arbitrarily removed the tape drivers from OS X years ago. That was one reason why I dumped OS X. They unilaterally decided that I didn't need tape support, and I don't like being told how to conduct my business. Does it have any kind of raw SCSI interface, like /dev/sg* on Linux? It'd be easy to work around the lack of real tape drivers if so ... I think maybe it did not, but it's been awhile since I messed with OS X. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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OS X (lack of) tape support, was Re: [HECnet] tape image manipulations...

by wilson＠dbit.com

From: Dave McGuire <mcguire at neurotica.com> Apple suddenly and arbitrarily removed the tape drivers from OS X years ago. That was one reason why I dumped OS X. They unilaterally decided that I didn't need tape support, and I don't like being told how to conduct my business. Does it have any kind of raw SCSI interface, like /dev/sg* on Linux? It'd be easy to work around the lack of real tape drivers if so ... John Wilson D Bit

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two dumb RSX questions

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-02-17 03:04, Peter Lothberg wrote: Are you giving guest access and/or offering accounts? Sure.. I'll talk to my sys$admin:..... (it needs a guest account) :-) Just tell me what you want done... And do you have Fortran? :) It's a basic RSX with DECnet, I'll install anything that anyone can offer for layared products.. I can probably install most of everything you want on that machine. Just give me some time... And while on this subject, I wanna buikd a RSTS/E system to, tapes of stuff, anyone? Seems like several people have the answer. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 02/17/2014 04:20 AM, Peter Lothberg wrote: And Peter's network cannot reach my network. WTF? I'm at all major exchange point's in the world, where do you wanna meet? Hold on, I know I've got a spool of single-mode around here somewhere! ;) -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014, Peter Lothberg wrote: And Peter's network cannot reach my network. WTF? I'm at all major exchange point's in the world, where do you wanna meet? -P I'd love to peer directly with you. :( Can you call in a favour at one of AT&T's exchange? ;) Wait...do you not peer directly with AT&T? My route to you took sprint. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by roll＠Stupi.SE

And Peter's network cannot reach my network. WTF? I'm at all major exchange point's in the world, where do you wanna meet? -P

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 02/17/2014 04:19 AM, Peter Lothberg wrote: In Croatia we put 1GE simple fiber SFP in to the houses. Could be upgraded to 10G when prices come down. No pon, no nothing strange... Houses in Croatia have orders of magnitude better connectivity than most commercial facilities in the US. That figures. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Dave McGuire wrote: On 02/17/2014 04:19 AM, Peter Lothberg wrote: In Croatia we put 1GE simple fiber SFP in to the houses. Could be upgraded to 10G when prices come down. No pon, no nothing strange... Houses in Croatia have orders of magnitude better connectivity than most commercial facilities in the US. That figures. Telecoms in Columbus, OH are fantastic, though. ;) ...Mind we manufactured switching equipment a short drive from where I live. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by roll＠Stupi.SE

Even _I_ have a route to you! (With truly awful latency) b4 at meaghan:~ traceroute 192.108.198.254 traceroute to 192.108.198.254 (192.108.198.254), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets snip 18 r29a-ge-2-0-gw.stupi.net (192.108.195.149) 583.803 ms * 213.912 ms So you are looking at CPU speed of the router, that processes ping packets at the lowest priority.. Ping a computer, kniv.stupi.se for example.. R>!traceroute 75.49.19.254 traceroute to 75.49.19.254 (75.49.19.254), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets 1 R29A-GW.Stupi.SE (192.108.198.254) 227.170 ms 215.521 ms 205.397 ms 2 R29BFR-GE-2-0-6-GW.Stupi.NET (192.108.195.150) 161.133 ms 0.261 ms 0.284 ms 3 BFR5-GE-5-1-0.Stupi.NET (192.108.195.17) 0.431 ms 0.273 ms 0.433 ms 4 HFR1-GE-0-7-1-0.Stupi.NET (192.108.195.122) 14.249 ms 10.423 ms 1.309 ms 5 213.206.129.86 (213.206.129.86) 0.578 ms 0.678 ms 0.432 ms 6 sl-bb21-cop-12-0-0.sprintlink.net (213.206.129.33) 9.351 ms 9.193 ms 9.131 ms 7 sl-bb20-cop-15-0-0.sprintlink.net (80.77.64.33) 9.937 ms 9.313 ms 9.207 ms 8 144.232.24.12 (144.232.24.12) 88.426 ms 315.822 ms 88.493 ms 9 sl-crs2-nyc-0-2-5-0.sprintlink.net (144.232.25.113) 91.615 ms 91.081 ms 90.863 ms 10 144.232.6.6 (144.232.6.6) 90.257 ms 90.185 ms 90.081 ms 11 cr1.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.122.80.226) 118.263 ms 119.168 ms 116.009 ms 12 cr1.phlpa.ip.att.net (12.122.5.242) 116.323 ms 123.579 ms 119.665 ms 13 cr2.phlpa.ip.att.net (12.122.3.226) 119.224 ms 116.263 ms 115.926 ms 14 cr2.cl2oh.ip.att.net (12.122.2.209) 116.647 ms 119.276 ms 127.524 ms 15 cr1.cl2oh.ip.att.net (12.122.2.125) 117.425 ms 117.979 ms 115.837 ms 16 12.83.58.253 (12.83.58.253) 272.051 ms 298.390 ms 311.608 ms 17 ppp-151-164-55-57.eulstx.swbell.net (151.164.55.57) 217.446 ms 242.930 ms 291.844 ms 18 dist2-te2-1.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net (151.164.55.64) 115.333 ms 115.430 ms 115.239 ms 19 adsl-75-49-19-254.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net (75.49.19.254) 117.827 ms 117.474 ms 116.824 ms In Croatia we put 1GE simple fiber SFP in to the houses. Could be upgraded to 10G when prices come down. No pon, no nothing strange... -P

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Mon, 17 Feb 2014, Peter Lothberg wrote: Even _I_ have a route to you! (With truly awful latency) b4 at meaghan:~ traceroute 192.108.198.254 traceroute to 192.108.198.254 (192.108.198.254), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets snip 18 r29a-ge-2-0-gw.stupi.net (192.108.195.149) 583.803 ms * 213.912 ms So you are looking at CPU speed of the router, that processes ping packets at the lowest priority.. Ping a computer, kniv.stupi.se for example.. Ahhhh right. kniv has much better latency. ;) 18 dist2-te2-1.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net (151.164.55.64) 115.333 ms 115.430 ms 115.239 ms 19 adsl-75-49-19-254.dsl.wotnoh.sbcglobal.net (75.49.19.254) 117.827 ms 117.474 ms 116.824 ms In Croatia we put 1GE simple fiber SFP in to the houses. Could be upgraded to 10G when prices come down. No pon, no nothing strange... I'd love that here. -P -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 02/16/2014 10:11 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote: That's why I want a non-residential ISP to provide me with service. I don't think I'll get that here, though. :( Not at a price you can afford , no. :) Unless I convince OAR.net I am doing legitimate educational research in the field of computer history/aracheology, correct. ;) 3/3 symmetric T1 w/ 5 static IPs is $549/mo. Hmmmm. If by 3/3 you mean 3Mbps up and 3Mbps down, it's not a T1. -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Dave McGuire wrote: On 02/16/2014 10:11 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote: That's why I want a non-residential ISP to provide me with service. I don't think I'll get that here, though. :( Not at a price you can afford , no. :) Unless I convince OAR.net I am doing legitimate educational research in the field of computer history/aracheology, correct. ;) 3/3 symmetric T1 w/ 5 static IPs is $549/mo. Hmmmm. If by 3/3 you mean 3Mbps up and 3Mbps down, it's not a T1. I know. They were just billing it as a T1...despite the fact it'd be two bonded T1s. -Dave -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by b4＠gewt.net

On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote: On Sun, 16 Feb 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote: That's why I want a non-residential ISP to provide me with service. I don't think I'll get that here, though. :( Not at a price you can afford , no. :) Unless I convince OAR.net I am doing legitimate educational research in the field of computer history/aracheology, correct. ;) 3/3 symmetric T1 w/ 5 static IPs is $549/mo. Hmmmm. -- Cory Smelosky http://gewt.net Personal stuff http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 02/16/2014 10:02 PM, Cory Smelosky wrote: Comcast:: "You don't qualify to peer with us". What did you do to make Comcast mad at you? Their view of the future is that they talk to themself, facebook, google and apple. I do not understand, but they are trying to reduce inbound capacty to themself as much as possible, thay have all the content you need on-net... That's why I want a non-residential ISP to provide me with service. I don't think I'll get that here, though. :( I have a non-residential ISP. I am on Comcast *business*. Non-throttled, unmetered bandwidth, excellent performance, excellent stability, static IP addresses (statically-allocated IP addresses...not just "my IP address hardly ever changes!" crap that a lot of people think means "static" these days), and the FIRST person that answers the phone can log into a DNS server and update PTR records for me. And Peter's network cannot reach my network. WTF? -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA

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RSTS/E tapes, was Re: [HECnet] two dumb RSX questions

by wonko＠4amlunch.net

On Feb 16, 2014, at 22:02, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote: On Mon, 17 Feb 2014, Peter Lothberg wrote: Comcast:: "You don't qualify to peer with us". What did you do to make Comcast mad at you? Their view of the future is that they talk to themself, facebook, google and apple. I do not understand, but they are trying to reduce inbound capacty to themself as much as possible, thay have all the content you need on-net... That's why I want a non-residential ISP to provide me with service. I don't think I'll get that here, though. :( Not at a price you can afford , no. :)

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