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by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 21/04/2014, a les 21.23, Jovan Trujillo <jovan.trujillo2 at gmail.com> va escriure: Hi all, So I have access to HECnet now thanks to Mark and his GLGMSH node. I was wondering where I could find a list of nodes with guest accounts. I'm interested in all systems. Thanks, Jovan If you have access to any HECnet node you can check the INFO.TXT file at the default DECNET (or FAL$SERVER) directories of most nodes; the GUEST account information is usually there. You can start with my own gateway node (BITXOV). Jordi Guillaumes i Pons jg at jordi.guillaumes.name HECnet: BITXOV::JGUILLAUMES

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Nodes with guest accounts

by jovan.trujillo2＠gmail.com

Hi all, So I have access to HECnet now thanks to Mark and his GLGMSH node. I was wondering where I could find a list of nodes with guest accounts. I'm interested in all systems. Thanks, Jovan

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[DECtec] [HECnet] Fwd: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! Actually no. I do know of him, before this however. Incidentally Google who has e-mail is reliable. Sadly you won't see your messages unless you get a response but they don't follow that silly ideal that Yahoo is playing with. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 7:17 PM, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote: Thanks Greg. I think that pretty much explains why I don't get back copies of my posts. Also why I haven't noticed it until now. Virtually all of the newsgroups/lists I subscribe to are Yahoo groups. HECnet, DECtec and a couple others are not. The Yahoo ones are ones I interact with most. Although I've gotten posts to appear on DECtec sporadically, HECnet has failed 100%. I'm also a member at CCTalk and CCTech and I recently had a post succeed there. Probably, like most things Yahoo, the DMARC policy doesn't work 100% of the time. Well, I was looking around for a new email host anyway that I can use with some of my owned domains. I guess this just forces me to speed the search. Are you any relation to the John R. Levine mentioned? John H. Reinhardt On 4/10/2014 6:46 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! See below. That was just sent to the H390-MVS list. John if you don't see that here say so. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <afg0510 at videotron.ca> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM Subject: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com FYO - on http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/09/2047205/yahoo-dmarc-implementation-… pdclarry writes: "On April 8, Yahoo implemented a new DMARC policy that essentially bars any Yahoo user from accessing mailing lists hosted anywhere except on Yahoo and Google. While Yahoo is the initiator, it also affects Comcast, AT&T, Rogers, SBCGlobal, and several other ISPs. Internet Engineering Council expert John R. Levine, a specialist in email infrastructure and spam filtering, said, 'Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's' on the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) list. DMARC (Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance) is a two-year-old proposed standard previously discussed on Slashdot that is intended to curb email abuse, including spoofing and phishing. Unfortunately, as implemented by Yahoo, it claims most mailing list users as collateral damage. Messages posted to mailing lists (including listserv, mailman, majordomo, etc) by Yahoo subscribers are blocked when the list forwards them to other Yahoo (and other participating ISPs) subscribers. List members not using Yahoo or its partners are not affected and will receive posts from Yahoo users. Posts from non-Yahoo users are delivered to Yahoo members. So essentially those suffering the most are Yahoo's (and Comcast's, and AT&T's, etc) own customers. The Hacker News has details about why DMARC has this effect on mailing lists. Their best proposed solution is to ban Yahoo email users from mailing lists and encourage them to switch to other ISPs. Unfortunately, it isn't just Yahoo, although they are getting the most attention." -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

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[DECtec] [HECnet] Fwd: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

Thanks Greg. I think that pretty much explains why I don't get back copies of my posts. Also why I haven't noticed it until now. Virtually all of the newsgroups/lists I subscribe to are Yahoo groups. HECnet, DECtec and a couple others are not. The Yahoo ones are ones I interact with most. Although I've gotten posts to appear on DECtec sporadically, HECnet has failed 100%. I'm also a member at CCTalk and CCTech and I recently had a post succeed there. Probably, like most things Yahoo, the DMARC policy doesn't work 100% of the time. Well, I was looking around for a new email host anyway that I can use with some of my owned domains. I guess this just forces me to speed the search. Are you any relation to the John R. Levine mentioned? John H. Reinhardt On 4/10/2014 6:46 PM, Gregg Levine wrote: Hello! See below. That was just sent to the H390-MVS list. John if you don't see that here say so. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <afg0510 at videotron.ca> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM Subject: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com FYO - on http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/09/2047205/yahoo-dmarc-implementation-… pdclarry writes: "On April 8, Yahoo implemented a new DMARC policy that essentially bars any Yahoo user from accessing mailing lists hosted anywhere except on Yahoo and Google. While Yahoo is the initiator, it also affects Comcast, AT&T, Rogers, SBCGlobal, and several other ISPs. Internet Engineering Council expert John R. Levine, a specialist in email infrastructure and spam filtering, said, 'Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's' on the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) list. DMARC (Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance) is a two-year-old proposed standard previously discussed on Slashdot that is intended to curb email abuse, including spoofing and phishing. Unfortunately, as implemented by Yahoo, it claims most mailing list users as collateral damage. Messages posted to mailing lists (including listserv, mailman, majordomo, etc) by Yahoo subscribers are blocked when the list forwards them to other Yahoo (and other participating ISPs) subscribers. List members not using Yahoo or its partners are not affected and will receive posts from Yahoo users. Posts from non-Yahoo users are delivered to Yahoo members. So essentially those suffering the most are Yahoo's (and Comcast's, and AT&T's, etc) own customers. The Hacker News has details about why DMARC has this effect on mailing lists. Their best proposed solution is to ban Yahoo email users from mailing lists and encourage them to switch to other ISPs. Unfortunately, it isn't just Yahoo, although they are getting the most attention." -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

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Fwd: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! See below. That was just sent to the H390-MVS list. John if you don't see that here say so. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <afg0510 at videotron.ca> Date: Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 5:32 PM Subject: [H390-MVS] Yahoo DMARC Implementation Breaks Most Mailing Lists To: H390-MVS at yahoogroups.com FYO - on http://tech.slashdot.org/story/14/04/09/2047205/yahoo-dmarc-implementation-… pdclarry writes: "On April 8, Yahoo implemented a new DMARC policy that essentially bars any Yahoo user from accessing mailing lists hosted anywhere except on Yahoo and Google. While Yahoo is the initiator, it also affects Comcast, AT&T, Rogers, SBCGlobal, and several other ISPs. Internet Engineering Council expert John R. Levine, a specialist in email infrastructure and spam filtering, said, 'Yahoo breaks every mailing list in the world including the IETF's' on the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF) list. DMARC (Domain-based Message Authentication, Reporting & Conformance) is a two-year-old proposed standard previously discussed on Slashdot that is intended to curb email abuse, including spoofing and phishing. Unfortunately, as implemented by Yahoo, it claims most mailing list users as collateral damage. Messages posted to mailing lists (including listserv, mailman, majordomo, etc) by Yahoo subscribers are blocked when the list forwards them to other Yahoo (and other participating ISPs) subscribers. List members not using Yahoo or its partners are not affected and will receive posts from Yahoo users. Posts from non-Yahoo users are delivered to Yahoo members. So essentially those suffering the most are Yahoo's (and Comcast's, and AT&T's, etc) own customers. The Hacker News has details about why DMARC has this effect on mailing lists. Their best proposed solution is to ban Yahoo email users from mailing lists and encourage them to switch to other ISPs. Unfortunately, it isn't just Yahoo, although they are getting the most attention."

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Another test - sorry

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

Hello! I've been seeing them. On both places. However Google Mail because how list servers re-write headers insists that your e-mail can not be coming from where it says. I promptly move it from the Spam bucket back to the Inbox. I have that same problem with other lists and mail written by folks from certain banks. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:00 AM, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote: On 4/8/2014 6:26 AM, Rok Vidmar wrote: Just seeing if this shows up for me. Some listservers do not echo messages to OP. The same is true for some UAs, GMail for instance. There is no better test for a computer than letting it run an operating system. There is no better test for a list than sending a relevant, widely interesting post :) -- Regards, Rok Ah, but they used to show up. It's just been in the last week that they have stopped (I'm guessing, I haven't had a need to post to either in a while until a few days ago). It's happening on both HECnet and DECtec mailing lists. Although on DECtec, if I reply to someone like I am now, it often does get echoed back to me. On HECnet, it does not. John H. Reinhardt

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by bob＠jfcl.com

Ah was that it. I thought the 50 denoted the 2-cpu version, the 00 the single cpu and that the 83xx was the faster version? of the 82xx I always had trouble with this too, but here's the scoop - VAX-8200 - 1x KA820 (T1001-00) CPU VAX-8250 - 1x KA825 (T1001-YA) CPU VAX-8300 - 2x KA820 CPU VAX-8350 - 2x KA825 CPU The model numbers corresponded to the CPU cards (e.g. KA820 -> 8200, KA825 -> 8250) ... The KA825 (T1001-YA) was simply a faster version (6.25MHz vs 5MHz) of the same KA820. Bob

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Another test - sorry

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

On 4/8/2014 6:26 AM, Rok Vidmar wrote: Just seeing if this shows up for me. Some listservers do not echo messages to OP. The same is true for some UAs, GMail for instance. There is no better test for a computer than letting it run an operating system. There is no better test for a list than sending a relevant, widely interesting post :) -- Regards, Rok Ah, but they used to show up. It's just been in the last week that they have stopped (I'm guessing, I haven't had a need to post to either in a while until a few days ago). It's happening on both HECnet and DECtec mailing lists. Although on DECtec, if I reply to someone like I am now, it often does get echoed back to me. On HECnet, it does not. John H. Reinhardt

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Another test - sorry

by rok.vidmar＠gmail.com

Just seeing if this shows up for me. Some listservers do not echo messages to OP. The same is true for some UAs, GMail for instance. There is no better test for a computer than letting it run an operating system. There is no better test for a list than sending a relevant, widely interesting post :) -- Regards, Rok

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Another test - sorry

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Your other reply, like this got on both lists Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: John H. Reinhardt Verzonden: dinsdag 8 april 2014 09:05 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: [HECnet] Another test - sorry Just seeing if this shows up for me. So far nothing I've attempted to post to HECnet has gotten echoed back to me. I can't tell if it's getting to the list or not. John H. Reinhardt

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Ah was that it. I thought the 50 denoted the 2-cpu version, the 00 the single cpu and that the 83xx was the faster version of the 82xx Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: John H. Reinhardt Verzonden: dinsdag 8 april 2014 09:03 Aan: DEC discussion list.; hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but... On 4/8/2014 2:48 AM, Hans Vlems wrote: AFAIK just the cpu speed. IIRC the 8250 is rated at 1.2 VUPS and the 8350 at 1.4. But this is from memory which is known to have some issues :( On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:26:36AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. What differs the 8250 and 8350 ? I may have some BI boards (CPU and Memory if I recall correctly). If you need them I'm willing to trade them for something fun. /P Hans, That's the difference between the 8200/8300 and 8250/8350. The difference between the 82xx and 83xx is that the 83xx was a 2-cpu SMP system while the 82xx was a single cpu. The 8200/8300 was fairly short-lived before the 8250/8350 came out. John H. Reinhardt

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Another test - sorry

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

Just seeing if this shows up for me. So far nothing I've attempted to post to HECnet has gotten echoed back to me. I can't tell if it's getting to the list or not. John H. Reinhardt

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

El 08/04/2014, a les 8:23, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> va escriure: On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:26:36AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. What differs the 8250 and 8350 ? I may have some BI boards (CPU and Memory if I recall correctly). If you need them I'm willing to trade them for something fun. IIRC the 8350 is a dual-CPU machine. The 8250 was my first VAX. A TU81, a RA81 and 8 megabytes of RAM... The memories... /P

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

On 4/8/2014 2:48 AM, Hans Vlems wrote: AFAIK just the cpu speed. IIRC the 8250 is rated at 1.2 VUPS and the 8350 at 1.4. But this is from memory which is known to have some issues :( On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:26:36AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. What differs the 8250 and 8350 ? I may have some BI boards (CPU and Memory if I recall correctly). If you need them I'm willing to trade them for something fun. /P Hans, That's the difference between the 8200/8300 and 8250/8350. The difference between the 82xx and 83xx is that the 83xx was a 2-cpu SMP system while the 82xx was a single cpu. The 8200/8300 was fairly short-lived before the 8250/8350 came out. John H. Reinhardt -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by jg＠jordi.guillaumes.name

Jordi Guillaumes i Pons Barcelona - Catalunya - Europa El 08/04/2014, a les 8:23, Pontus Pihlgren <pontus at Update.UU.SE> va escriure: On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:26:36AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. What differs the 8250 and 8350 ? I may have some BI boards (CPU and Memory if I recall correctly). If you need them I'm willing to trade them for something fun. /P

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

AFAIK just the cpu speed. IIRC the 8250 is rated at 1.2 VUPS and the 8350 at 1.4. But this is from memory which is known to have some issues :( Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Pontus Pihlgren Verzonden: dinsdag 8 april 2014 08:23 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: DEC discussion list. Cc: DEC discussion list. Onderwerp: Re: [DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but... On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:26:36AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. What differs the 8250 and 8350 ? I may have some BI boards (CPU and Memory if I recall correctly). If you need them I'm willing to trade them for something fun. /P -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by pontus＠Update.UU.SE

On Tue, Apr 08, 2014 at 12:26:36AM -0400, Dave McGuire wrote: On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. What differs the 8250 and 8350 ? I may have some BI boards (CPU and Memory if I recall correctly). If you need them I'm willing to trade them for something fun. /P

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by bob＠jfcl.com

I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. FWIW, there's already a working 8350 on HECnet, DIVISI. I'll turn it on if somebody really needs to use it. Bob

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by mcguire＠neurotica.com

On 04/07/2014 02:59 AM, John H. Reinhardt wrote: No I don't. The one you're probably thinking of is the 8250...Very different. You have an 8250? Neat! Yup! I just got it running a few months ago. I'm hoping to turn it into an 8350 soon. I like that machine a lot. When I was System Mangler for Depauw University we replaced our VAX-11/780 with a dual 8350 cluster in 1987. Had a HSC50 and two RA81's and an RA60 for storage. Very cool! -Dave -- Dave McGuire, AK4HZ New Kensington, PA -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

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Problems getting decnet configured on IA64 VMS 8.4

by hvlems＠zonnet.nl

Sorry about the faulty commands, ALL ought to be CHAR in ncp... That said, I can't emulate your problem. Is DECnet started and if so, before IP was started? Verzonden vanaf mijn BlackBerry 10-smartphone. Origineel bericht Van: Mark Wickens Verzonden: zondag 6 april 2014 23:24 Aan: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Beantwoorden: hecnet at Update.UU.SE Onderwerp: Re: [HECnet] Problems getting decnet configured on IA64 VMS 8.4 On 06/04/2014 20:54, zonnet wrote: What do you get on: $ Mc ncp sho node mim all $ Mc ncp sho node 1.13 all $ mcr ncp show node mim Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2014 21:22:58 %NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Node $ mcr ncp show node mim all %NCP-E-SYNTAX, command syntax error MIM \ALL\ $ $ mcr ncp show node 1.13 Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2014 21:24:20 Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node Links 1.13 unreachable $ -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/urbancamo

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Problems getting decnet configured on IA64 VMS 8.4

by mark＠wickensonline.co.uk

On 07/04/2014 08:17, Johnny Billquist wrote: On 2014-04-06 23:24, Mark Wickens wrote: On 06/04/2014 20:54, zonnet wrote: What do you get on: $ Mc ncp sho node mim all $ Mc ncp sho node 1.13 all $ mcr ncp show node mim Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2014 21:22:58 %NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Node $ mcr ncp show node mim all %NCP-E-SYNTAX, command syntax error MIM \ALL\ $ $ mcr ncp show node 1.13 Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2014 21:24:20 Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node Links 1.13 unreachable $ Two comments: 1) 1.13 unreachable seems like you have some kind of a connectivity problem. 2) Based on the effect of various commands: are you running phase V? If so, the NCP command there is just a wrapper, and only supports a subset of NCP, and you are pretty screwed. Johnny Hi folks Well I'm not sure what order of events prevented decnet working yesterday but I booted TSR2 this morning and hecnet connectivity was working. Yesterday TSR2 was booted before the decnet bridge was up and running, I wonder if that caused any issues? Regards, Mark. -- http://www.wickensonline.co.uk http://hecnet.eu http://declegacy.org.uk http://retrochallenge.net https://twitter.com/urbancamo

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Problems getting decnet configured on IA64 VMS 8.4

by bqt＠softjar.se

On 2014-04-06 23:24, Mark Wickens wrote: On 06/04/2014 20:54, zonnet wrote: What do you get on: $ Mc ncp sho node mim all $ Mc ncp sho node 1.13 all $ mcr ncp show node mim Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2014 21:22:58 %NCP-W-UNRCMP, Unrecognized component , Node $ mcr ncp show node mim all %NCP-E-SYNTAX, command syntax error MIM \ALL\ $ $ mcr ncp show node 1.13 Node Volatile Summary as of 6-APR-2014 21:24:20 Node State Active Delay Circuit Next node Links 1.13 unreachable $ Two comments: 1) 1.13 unreachable seems like you have some kind of a connectivity problem. 2) Based on the effect of various commands: are you running phase V? If so, the NCP command there is just a wrapper, and only supports a subset of NCP, and you are pretty screwed. Johnny -- Johnny Billquist || "I'm on a bus || on a psychedelic trip email: bqt at softjar.se || Reading murder books pdp is alive! || tryin' to stay hip" - B. Idol

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[DECtec] [HECnet] No VCF for me, but...

by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

On 4/5/2014 5:21 PM, Dave McGuire wrote: No I don't. The one you're probably thinking of is the 8250...Very different. -Dave You have an 8250? Neat! When I was System Mangler for Depauw University we replaced our VAX-11/780 with a dual 8350 cluster in 1987. Had a HSC50 and two RA81's and an RA60 for storage. John H. Reinhardt -- DECtec mailing list http://dectec.info To unsubscribe from this list see page at: http://dectec.info/mailman/listinfo/dectec_dectec.info

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test

by gregg.drwho8＠gmail.com

What? We didn't hear you. Also Google Mail has issues with your messages to the other list. ----- Gregg C Levine gregg.drwho8 at gmail.com "This signature fought the Time Wars, time and again." On Sun, Apr 6, 2014 at 9:00 PM, John H. Reinhardt <johnhreinhardt at yahoo.com> wrote: test

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by johnhreinhardt＠yahoo.com

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