El 02/05/2014, a les 14.23, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure:
On 2014-05-02 14:10, Jordi Guillaumes i Pons wrote:
El 02/05/2014, a les 14.03, Johnny Billquist <bqt at softjar.se> va escriure:
Yay! Works. But damn, that was slow. :-)
Also, seems like FAL on Ultrix-32 have some bugs. :-)
Thanks. One more system checked against RSX with my new fix in place.
If you need to do more testing I can move the instance to a bigger host.
Jordi Guillaumes i Pons
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No worry. Slow speed is not a big problem. I'm just doing silly tests anyway.
If anyone have sources for DECnet for Ultrix, I can report that DECnet/Ultrix have an Y2K bug for file timestamps.
That is version V4.0, which is not Y2K compliant. 4.5 was patched for Y2K compatibility, but I have not been able to find the DECNET kit for it.
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On May 1, 2014, at 9:36 PM, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Thu, 1 May 2014, Cory Smelosky wrote:
Looks like there's no DMC on the PDP-10, no DMC OR KDP on the MicroVAX, and no KDP on the VAX780.
However, the PDP-11 has the DUP. Looks like I can use that as the go-between.
Wonderinf if this is an RSTS/E bug...or a simh bug.
Device XK0: does not interrupt - device disabled.
Probably a SIMH limitation. It s complaining about the KMC11. RSTS supports those only for use with the RJ2780 emulator; it doesn t use them with DECnet.
The message comes from the hardware scan code, where it looks around the bus looking for devices and makes them interrupt to learn what vector each uses. For the KMC11, it does that by loading a short program into it. That only works if the KMC emulation knows how to emulate a KMC well enough to run that program. If it emulates a KMC only as a KMC/DUP pair that speaks DDCMP, this won t work.
If you want a RSTS system to connect to your Phase III machine, you ll want to use a DMC (or DMR/DMP/DMV, they are all roughly interchangeable). In a sufficiently recent SIMH, the DMC emulation speaks real DDCMP so it should talk with a software DDCMP implementation, such as one that uses a DUP. Or, since it doesn t know sync from async, it will probably talk to a software DDCMP implementation that uses a terminal interface.
paul
On 2014-05-02 16:12, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Since there is no central point in the first place, the idea you seem to
be pursuing is meaningless. Besides, Update sits on unlimited traffic,
and with very high capacity links.
Ok. It was just a thought.
Well, you can still do it. I don't mind. It's just that it don't really improve things on a grand scale. But it could be useful for local people near you, or with special requirements that you could fulfill.
But from a pure traffic load point of view, there are no problems today. But since the whole thing is distributed anyway, it also means that you certainly can also contribute to the distribution.
So don't take me wrong. I did not intend to discourage you from chipping in.
Johnny
On 2014-05-02 16:10, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Johnny Billquist wrote:
How much traffic does all of Hecnet generate for a typical month,
roughly? Is it more than a couple hundred gigabytes?
No idea, but I seriously doubt it is anywhere near that.
But it is also almost impossible to measure. There are traffic going on
between different machines, local traffic within areas, local networks,
across the world, and everything in between, over various links.
I don't mind taking your word for it.
What do you all think? Do you think it might be a good idea to set up a
node on this colo to allow some (most?) people who have dynamic IP to
VPN into?
I will not stop you. People are free to connect more machines to HECnet, and if they route traffic, that is also ok. So just go ahead.
More access points in various places don't hurt.
Johnny
Johnny Billquist wrote:
Since there is no central point in the first place, the idea you seem to
be pursuing is meaningless. Besides, Update sits on unlimited traffic,
and with very high capacity links.
Ok. It was just a thought.
Peace... Sridhar
Johnny Billquist wrote:
How much traffic does all of Hecnet generate for a typical month,
roughly? Is it more than a couple hundred gigabytes?
No idea, but I seriously doubt it is anywhere near that.
But it is also almost impossible to measure. There are traffic going on
between different machines, local traffic within areas, local networks,
across the world, and everything in between, over various links.
I don't mind taking your word for it.
What do you all think? Do you think it might be a good idea to set up a node on this colo to allow some (most?) people who have dynamic IP to VPN into?
Peace... Sridhar
On 2014-05-02 15:53, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Cory Smelosky wrote:
The reason why I ask is that I have a very large colo at a very good
ISP that doesn't get much traffic...
Can I colo a VAX there shoved in a corner? ;)
I didn't mean I have a suite or something. I meant that I have a large
machine with a large transfer allowance.
Since there is no central point in the first place, the idea you seem to be pursuing is meaningless. Besides, Update sits on unlimited traffic, and with very high capacity links.
Johnny
On 2014-05-02 15:43, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
How much traffic does all of Hecnet generate for a typical month,
roughly? Is it more than a couple hundred gigabytes?
No idea, but I seriously doubt it is anywhere near that.
But it is also almost impossible to measure. There are traffic going on between different machines, local traffic within areas, local networks, across the world, and everything in between, over various links.
There is no central point through which all traffic passes.
Johnny
Does dynamips run on arm?
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:45, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
On 2 May 2014, at 14:29, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
Hi,
Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or something?
Have a cisco box?
No, I have a Linux ARM machine, but no Cisco gear (not keen on having a lump of Cisco gear just for DECnet)
Pick up a 2524. Mine was $10 and it pulls about 22W. ;)
Have IPv6?
I honestly don't know if it works on this ISP line. I assume it does but I've never tested it.
If it does, you could do the bridge between me. I've got to do some hackery to autoupdate ipv6.
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Cory Smelosky wrote:
The reason why I ask is that I have a very large colo at a very good
ISP that doesn't get much traffic...
Can I colo a VAX there shoved in a corner? ;)
I didn't mean I have a suite or something. I meant that I have a large machine with a large transfer allowance.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
Cory Smelosky wrote:
How much traffic does all of Hecnet generate for a typical month,
roughly? Is it more than a couple hundred gigabytes?
I'd expect it to be <100M if people aren't actively transferring files.
I supposed hellos could use far more bandwidth than I assume!
Well, I meant total, including transfers.
The reason why I ask is that I have a very large colo at a very good ISP that doesn't get much traffic...
Can I colo a VAX there shoved in a corner? ;)
Peace... Sridhar
--
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Cory Smelosky wrote:
How much traffic does all of Hecnet generate for a typical month,
roughly? Is it more than a couple hundred gigabytes?
I'd expect it to be <100M if people aren't actively transferring files.
I supposed hellos could use far more bandwidth than I assume!
Well, I meant total, including transfers.
The reason why I ask is that I have a very large colo at a very good ISP that doesn't get much traffic...
Peace... Sridhar
I'll let Paul respond to that. :)
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:43, Mark Benson <md.benson at gmail.com> wrote:
On 2 May 2014, at 14:33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Can anyone direct me to this mystical Python creation? :)
--
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On Fri, 2 May 2014, Sridhar Ayengar wrote:
How much traffic does all of Hecnet generate for a typical month, roughly? Is it more than a couple hundred gigabytes?
I'd expect it to be <100M if people aren't actively transferring files. I supposed hellos could use far more bandwidth than I assume!
Peace... Sridhar
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
On 2 May 2014, at 14:29, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
Hi,
Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or something?
Have a cisco box?
No, I have a Linux ARM machine, but no Cisco gear (not keen on having a lump of Cisco gear just for DECnet)
Pick up a 2524. Mine was $10 and it pulls about 22W. ;)
Have IPv6?
I honestly don't know if it works on this ISP line. I assume it does but I've never tested it.
If it does, you could do the bridge between me. I've got to do some hackery to autoupdate ipv6.
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On 2 May 2014, at 14:33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Can anyone direct me to this mystical Python creation? :)
--
Mark Benson
http://DECtec.info
Twitter: @DECtecInfo
HECnet: STAR69::MARK
Online Resource & Mailing List for DEC Enthusiasts.
On 2 May 2014, at 14:29, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
Hi,
Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or something?
Have a cisco box?
No, I have a Linux ARM machine, but no Cisco gear (not keen on having a lump of Cisco gear just for DECnet)
Have IPv6?
I honestly don't know if it works on this ISP line. I assume it does but I've never tested it.
--
Mark Benson
My Blog:
<http://markbenson.org/blog>
Follow me on Twitter:
http://twitter.com/mdbenson
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On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
There are both vde and openvswitch python modules. It would still likely be trivial. :)
Neat. Didn't know python had openvswitch bits!
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:40, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I forget if it does or not. If not it should be trivial to add. I think I asked him to add that though.
Well, vde2 would be easy...openvswitch might take a bit more work. ;)
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Wonder if that supports vde2/openvswitch...
-brian
--
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There are both vde and openvswitch python modules. It would still likely be trivial. :)
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:40, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I forget if it does or not. If not it should be trivial to add. I think I asked him to add that though.
Well, vde2 would be easy...openvswitch might take a bit more work. ;)
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Wonder if that supports vde2/openvswitch...
-brian
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
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On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I forget if it does or not. If not it should be trivial to add. I think I asked him to add that though.
Well, vde2 would be easy...openvswitch might take a bit more work. ;)
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Wonder if that supports vde2/openvswitch...
-brian
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
--
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I forget if it does or not. If not it should be trivial to add. I think I asked him to add that though.
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:33, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Wonder if that supports vde2/openvswitch...
-brian
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
Wonder if that supports vde2/openvswitch...
-brian
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
Cory already covered ipv6 and cisco.
I've been thinking about setting Paul's python DECnet router up. I'll do that next week. I think it can do tunnel like things. Paul?
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:29, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Mark Benson wrote:
Hi,
Now I'm back, I need to get reconnected to HECnet and get some routing sorted out. Multinet never worked, and I lost my fixed IP so I can't use the bridge. Is anyone able to offer some kind of IP tunnel, maybe VPN or something?
Have a cisco box? Have IPv6?
Also there was someone who was developing a Linux-based DECnet router, is that still going/viable?
--
Cory Smelosky
http://gewt.net Personal stuff
http://gimme-sympathy.org Projects
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
At least you know what the issue is and how to fix it. That's 90% of the problem already solved. :)
Yup. All that's left is debugging. ;)
-brian
On May 2, 2014, at 9:28, Cory Smelosky <b4 at gewt.net> wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2014, Brian Hechinger wrote:
I've never actually used that so I can't do much more than point you at it. If I had more time today I'd help but I don't. Heading out to do birthday things for Sammy this weekend so won't really be available. I'll be more useful starting Tuesday if you aren't able to get it going by then.
No worries. I'll fiddle with it later today after heading to the store.
Sorry!!
-brian
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